Meeting Date / Time: April 18th, 2011 at 8:00pm EST

Chat Log:

[04/18/2011 – 07:01:20 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> <meetup fever=”pods”>
[04/18/2011 – 07:01:20 PM] <wesbos> obj
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[04/18/2011 – 07:02:05 PM] <wesbos> close your tags and lose the quotes, son. <meetup fever=pods />
[04/18/2011 – 07:02:13 PM] <@logikal16> so, this meeting will essentially be about how awesome sc0ttkclark is
[04/18/2011 – 07:02:18 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> https://pods.io/2011/04/18/april-meeting-notes/

[04/18/2011 – 07:02:34 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos, if we did that (close tag) then the meetup would be over
[04/18/2011 – 07:02:38 PM] <@logikal16> because he’s spent about 5,000 hours away from his family and baby to work on pods 🙂
[04/18/2011 – 07:02:42 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> there’s gotta be an end tag at the end of the meetup
[04/18/2011 – 07:03:01 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, my wife is super nice
[04/18/2011 – 07:03:10 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and baby is awesome
[04/18/2011 – 07:03:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okay.. so moving down the list
[04/18/2011 – 07:03:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> 2.0 progress report
[04/18/2011 – 07:03:52 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> https://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/46739
[04/18/2011 – 07:04:13 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> a few items done
[04/18/2011 – 07:04:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> a few still in progress
[04/18/2011 – 07:04:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’m focusing on podsUI right now, which will run the management UI for content management, and admining pods itself
[04/18/2011 – 07:05:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’m expecting to have something going by the end of the week
[04/18/2011 – 07:05:44 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> just needs a bit more reorganizaion
[04/18/2011 – 07:05:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> reorganization*
[04/18/2011 – 07:06:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> this past week or so i knocked out a few big pieces for the pods() and podsAPI() classes
[04/18/2011 – 07:07:00 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> showTemplate >> template; publicForm >> form; getPagination >> pagination; getFilters >> filters; pod_helper >> helper; findRecords >> find; fetchRecord >> fetch; and a few other minor function renaming
[04/18/2011 – 07:07:16 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the original functions have been deprecated and in some way point back at the new functions
[04/18/2011 – 07:07:27 PM] <@logikal16> cool
[04/18/2011 – 07:07:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i gutted out all of our previous mysql_* functionality
[04/18/2011 – 07:08:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and replaced it with $wpdb->get_results
[04/18/2011 – 07:08:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> oh one sec
[04/18/2011 – 07:08:21 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lemme double check which function i used
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> aha
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> $wpdb->query($sql)
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:40 PM] <@logikal16> k
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:41 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the functionality is similar, however instead of using mysql_* functions to interact, it’s interacting with an object
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:44 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> for SELECTs
[04/18/2011 – 07:09:49 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> pod_query >> pods_query
[04/18/2011 – 07:10:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and all usage of pod_query will remain using the $wpdb->result (mysql resource)
[04/18/2011 – 07:10:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> for backward compatibility
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:03 PM] <@logikal16> I see you also added support for PICK columns to use Custom Post Types / Taxonomies / Comments…?
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> that was fun
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:33 PM] <@logikal16> As well as PICK support for custom tables
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:33 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i still need to do some thorough testing, but i’ve got the code in place which should handle it
[04/18/2011 – 07:11:58 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, the code was in place already, i’m sure devs will enjoy having that additional freedom
[04/18/2011 – 07:12:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> our key target audience for pods 2.0 is middle-of-the-line users
[04/18/2011 – 07:12:19 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re not looking for wp.com users
[04/18/2011 – 07:12:27 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re already catering to advanced developers
[04/18/2011 – 07:12:54 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so with the addition of Post Types and Taxonomy support (at the very least), we should see more adoption by our target audience
[04/18/2011 – 07:13:10 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lowering the bar while at the same time increasing power
[04/18/2011 – 07:13:21 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and that’s only possible because of the new UI work we’re doing
[04/18/2011 – 07:13:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> jchristopher has a branch on the google svn
[04/18/2011 – 07:13:33 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> 2.0-frontend
[04/18/2011 – 07:13:49 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it’s hardcoded admin panels of what he’s come up with so far for the new ui
[04/18/2011 – 07:14:10 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it also has the new menu structure in it
[04/18/2011 – 07:14:13 PM] <@jchristopher> subject to change (hopefully soon)
[04/18/2011 – 07:14:30 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i implemented the new menu structure into my branch (2.0) and once podsUI is done, i’ll begin implementing the actual admin panels
[04/18/2011 – 07:14:55 PM] <@jchristopher> in particular: adopting a tab UI found in current releases of multisite, as well as that sweeeeeet editor ptah was working on
[04/18/2011 – 07:15:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, we’ll definitely be revisiting certain aspects during implementation and alpha testing
[04/18/2011 – 07:15:42 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i took a crash course in i18n this weekend
[04/18/2011 – 07:15:51 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so i’m all set to do that once things wrap up with alpha / beta
[04/18/2011 – 07:16:03 PM] <@jchristopher> that’s going to be huge awesome
[04/18/2011 – 07:16:04 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and in 2.x we can start distributing user contributed translations
[04/18/2011 – 07:16:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’ve also talked with the WPML guys (again), and they’re going to be checking out pods 2.0 and looking into setting up a new plugin of their own which will integrate the two
[04/18/2011 – 07:16:43 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so that’ll also be cool for users looking to extend further
[04/18/2011 – 07:17:43 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> tonyjansen is looking at the components implementation, once he’s done he’s going to be contributing time looking through 2.0 to make sure we’re not missing anything which could cause trouble for us
[04/18/2011 – 07:17:49 PM] <@logikal16> is “custom table storage vs. wp_postmeta” still 2.0? would it make sense to push it back?
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[04/18/2011 – 07:18:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> still 2.0
[04/18/2011 – 07:19:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i haven’t implemented that part yet, but i’ve got things in place to hook it all up once i finish up getting the ui up
[04/18/2011 – 07:19:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i wanted to focus on the ui first so we could start testing the other features
[04/18/2011 – 07:19:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> once ui is done, i’m going to shift back to the custom post types / meta storage tasks
[04/18/2011 – 07:20:10 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i had some help from nick brewer who put together some custom post types code for me to review and make dynamic with pods
[04/18/2011 – 07:20:23 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and for those who are unaware of the new table structures..
[04/18/2011 – 07:20:55 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> http://code.google.com/p/wp-pods/source/browse/branches/2.0/sql/dump.sql
[04/18/2011 – 07:21:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re dropping wp_pod (as it was used)
[04/18/2011 – 07:21:27 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> moving author / created / modified over each of the pod tables
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[04/18/2011 – 07:21:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> also, renaming all wp_pod* >> wp_pods* for easy downgrading
[04/18/2011 – 07:22:18 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wp_pods going forward will be for storing actual pods
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[04/18/2011 – 07:22:30 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and all tables have been simplified and/or extended
[04/18/2011 – 07:22:41 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> most commonly, you’ll see a new field called ‘options’
[04/18/2011 – 07:22:41 PM] <wesbos> just got 2.0 ui installed. Looking’ real good 🙂
[04/18/2011 – 07:23:02 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> options column will store a json object with additional fields
[04/18/2011 – 07:23:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so as we expand 2.x and beyond, we don’t have to change the db — and more importantly we can be pluggable for other people to customize where they see fit
[04/18/2011 – 07:23:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> a good example of this is custom column types
[04/18/2011 – 07:23:41 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> people will be able to add their own options
[04/18/2011 – 07:23:49 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> which fit their own projects
[04/18/2011 – 07:24:11 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wp_pods_rel will now have a few new columns
[04/18/2011 – 07:24:45 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it’s better for data organization, as now we can go up and down relationships when needed
[04/18/2011 – 07:25:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and much more complex queries are possible
[04/18/2011 – 07:25:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> with less joins
[04/18/2011 – 07:25:37 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> another big change was the consolidation of templates, pages, and helpers into one table wp_pods_objects
[04/18/2011 – 07:27:18 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> next, mike van winkle’s widget is going to be reworked and hopefully share the same UI as our new tinymce button pop-up
[04/18/2011 – 07:27:26 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> for consistency and simplification
[04/18/2011 – 07:27:57 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> also, i’ll be consulting Mark Jaquith on security for the new forms handling
[04/18/2011 – 07:28:25 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i want to make sure the solution is scalable and rock-solid, so we won’t have to worry about anything
[04/18/2011 – 07:28:32 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> or at least very little comparitively
[04/18/2011 – 07:29:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> TinyMCE is still planned, i’ve contracted Andrew Ozz to work on rebuilding his TinyMCE work as more of an API which can then be utilized by other plugin authors as well
[04/18/2011 – 07:29:19 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> he’s hoping to get it into core, but it’ll miss 3.2 and be pushed into 3.3
[04/18/2011 – 07:29:37 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> however, he’ll be providing me the functions so we can implement in pods 2.0
[04/18/2011 – 07:30:24 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> anyone looking at the 2.0 branch init.php, you’ll notice it’s super small
[04/18/2011 – 07:30:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> all classes are within their own files now
[04/18/2011 – 07:30:45 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and classes are init with a function which then includes that class’s file
[04/18/2011 – 07:30:58 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so now all classes aren’t loaded all of the time
[04/18/2011 – 07:31:02 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> only when needed on the page
[04/18/2011 – 07:31:30 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re now using version_compare to handle updates, and storing the version as x.x.x
[04/18/2011 – 07:31:46 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> using version_compare means we can release x.x.x.x if needed, but not necessary in the majority of cases
[04/18/2011 – 07:32:02 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> version_compare is just cleaner and handles version numbering better than an integer would
[04/18/2011 – 07:32:25 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so now we could even do 2.0.15
[04/18/2011 – 07:32:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and the function would handle it accordingly
[04/18/2011 – 07:32:52 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> if we tried that in 1.x then we’d have trouble
[04/18/2011 – 07:33:50 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> there are more aspects of 2.0, like podsMigrate and podsMigrateUI, though those will likely be pushed into 2.x or 2.0.x depending on testing
[04/18/2011 – 07:34:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> tonyjansen is working on a drupal CCK to pods migration script
[04/18/2011 – 07:34:26 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> if done, it’ll be one of the components available under the migration category
[04/18/2011 – 07:34:40 PM] <@jchristopher> wow nice
[04/18/2011 – 07:34:44 PM] <wesbos> woah
[04/18/2011 – 07:35:04 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah hopefully he’s able to make some magic happen
[04/18/2011 – 07:35:21 PM] <wesbos> that would be amazing
[04/18/2011 – 07:35:27 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> if not, i have contact with core drupal devs and someone who’s a pro with CCK to consult with
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:09 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re DEFINITELY replacing nicEdit with CLEditor
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> can’t risk going forward with nicEdit as buggy as it is
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:32 PM] <@jchristopher> +1+1+1+1
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:34 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lol
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:40 PM] <wesbos> didnt you just say something about tinyMCE?
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:42 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah
[04/18/2011 – 07:36:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> TinyMCE will be an option
[04/18/2011 – 07:37:01 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but CLEditor will be an option for a simplified editor
[04/18/2011 – 07:37:14 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and users can hook into the options for the WYSWIYG to add their own
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[04/18/2011 – 07:37:29 PM] <@jchristopher> I like that, I don’t always want clients to be able to include their new sparkly banner gifs in every WISYWIG under the sun
[04/18/2011 – 07:37:32 PM] <wesbos> ohh that sounds nice, I’ve never enjoyed tinymce anyways
[04/18/2011 – 07:37:37 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but the idea is to replace all nicEditor usage in sites to use CLEditor, and let them upgrade to TinyMCE if they wanted
[04/18/2011 – 07:38:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okie so i think that covers most of 2.0
[04/18/2011 – 07:38:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> anyone have any questions?
[04/18/2011 – 07:39:02 PM] <@jchristopher> obligatory: is it done yet?
[04/18/2011 – 07:39:04 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lol
[04/18/2011 – 07:39:13 PM] <wesbos> when should it be safe to install and play around with
[04/18/2011 – 07:39:37 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> speaking of, once i finish up the admin ui, i’ll be working in jchristopher’s field ui work, which could use some help if anyone wants to volunteer to do some cool new input options
[04/18/2011 – 07:39:58 PM] <@jchristopher> yeah, that surface was barely scratched
[04/18/2011 – 07:40:03 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos: at least not until podsUI is ready, at that point we can go into a very early alpha (which wouldn’t have all functionality, but could at least be used)
[04/18/2011 – 07:40:21 PM] <Danzig> Need some update information. Does pods View version 1.9.5.1 work with WordPress 3.1.1?
[04/18/2011 – 07:40:22 PM] <wesbos> for input options, you mean like a date picker would be an input?
[04/18/2011 – 07:40:49 PM] <wesbos> Danzig : I
[04/18/2011 – 07:40:57 PM] <wesbos> m running that right now on one of my sites
[04/18/2011 – 07:41:02 PM] <Danzig> I’m currently running pods 1.9.1
[04/18/2011 – 07:41:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> pods 1.9.5.1 works with WP 2.8+
[04/18/2011 – 07:41:29 PM] <Danzig> Should I back anything other then the database up before updating?
[04/18/2011 – 07:41:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> just DB
[04/18/2011 – 07:41:45 PM] <Danzig> thank you.
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:04 PM] <wesbos> sc0ttkclark: what do you mean by input options?
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:04 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> np
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:12 PM] <@jchristopher> wesbos: if you have the 2.0-frontend branch installed you can hit the Forms link under pods admin
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> input options like, cool options for file uploader, input fields, etc.. jquery magic you know
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:23 PM] <@jchristopher> that’s the bare bones skeleton of where I’m going with the fields
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[04/18/2011 – 07:42:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah jchristopher is tied up a bit right now with work
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:38 PM] <@jchristopher> so far it’s fine for bare essentials, until you get down to the file upload
[04/18/2011 – 07:42:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so anyone is welcome to join in
[04/18/2011 – 07:43:03 PM] <@jchristopher> which is hideous, and prompted https://pods.io/2011/02/23/requesting-feedback-pods-2-0-file-column/
[04/18/2011 – 07:43:22 PM] <@jchristopher> we’ve decided to stick with SWFupload so the UI now needs lots of love
[04/18/2011 – 07:43:40 PM] <wesbos> is there anything thats needed? would love to take a crack at a few input types
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[04/18/2011 – 07:43:43 PM] <@jchristopher> goal being easy working with multiple file uploads and ideally integrated a la my Attachments plugin (maybe)
[04/18/2011 – 07:44:02 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos: hit me up and we can discuss later where you could contribute
[04/18/2011 – 07:44:28 PM] <wesbos> okay
[04/18/2011 – 07:44:48 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okie.. so next
[04/18/2011 – 07:44:51 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> new pods site
[04/18/2011 – 07:45:14 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoY8IFUX301qdGMzaUNOU0NjOWE5ZWRPTlVFODFqWXc&hl=en&authkey=CI3kw-4M
[04/18/2011 – 07:45:35 PM] * @jchristopher noting that Firefox 4 disregards HTML5 inputs if the doctype is < HTML5 while Chrome will go with it
[04/18/2011 – 07:45:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re redoing the entire pods site
[04/18/2011 – 07:46:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i have already built all the new pods, setup the pod pages, all that’s left are helpers and templating
[04/18/2011 – 07:46:50 PM] <darknailblue> are there any ideas on the tables regarding aesthetics?
[04/18/2011 – 07:46:51 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re also working in a redesign, but that part is still in progress as jchristopher and his irontoiron.com partner Kevin will be seeing what they can come up with creatively
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:00 PM] <@jchristopher> ba da bing
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:01 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> darknailblue: tables?
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:08 PM] <darknailblue> sorry *table
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> darknailblue: which table?
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:47 PM] <darknailblue> this table
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:51 PM] <darknailblue> just using an expression
[04/18/2011 – 07:47:54 PM] <darknailblue> sorry if it was unclear
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:03 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> oh gotcha
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:06 PM] <darknailblue> you answered my question already 🙂
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:10 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lol gotcha
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:16 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah they’re going to see what they come up with
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but whoever ends up designing the site will get a special contribution rating added to their pods.io user profile and credit on the contributors directory
[04/18/2011 – 07:48:41 PM] <@jchristopher> goal: set pods apart
[04/18/2011 – 07:49:03 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i modeled the new site’s organization based on WP.org, with a few changes to fit our needs
[04/18/2011 – 07:49:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the good thing is that the structure is all in place, it’s all up to templating now which will mostly be dictated by the new design
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> then we’ll be needing some content writing done
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> for all the pages, and a full documentation re-writ
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> rewrite*
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:28 PM] <@jchristopher> very much looking forward to that phase
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:33 PM] <wesbos> are you using anythinfg for the docs?
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:35 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, that’ll save us so much time
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:35 PM] <@jchristopher> can’t wait to redo my articles, blech
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:42 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos: custom brewed wiki
[04/18/2011 – 07:50:46 PM] <wesbos> cool
[04/18/2011 – 07:51:00 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos: will allow privelaged users to edit
[04/18/2011 – 07:51:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but it’s built with function / class documentation in mind, built ontop of a simple wiki pod
[04/18/2011 – 07:52:00 PM] <darknailblue> question?
[04/18/2011 – 07:52:18 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the site revamp and pods 2.0 will hopefully be lined up together, worst case pods 2.0 will come out shortly before the revamp
[04/18/2011 – 07:52:29 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but i’m hoping it’s the revamp first or at the same time
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:07 PM] <darknailblue> you mentioned that the new pods site is modeled after the wp.org site, which is overally pretty good; however the one part that makes it extremelly frustrating is the search feature
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:09 PM] <@jchristopher> yeah I’m hoping same time
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:36 PM] <darknailblue> just wondering about that with the new site / pods in general
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:44 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> jchristopher: yeah, the plan would be best to get the site ready prior to 2.0 launch, and launch both at the same time
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:51 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> darknailblue: search will be very powerful
[04/18/2011 – 07:53:55 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> using my search engine plugin
[04/18/2011 – 07:54:10 PM] <darknailblue> fantastic ::two thumbs up::
[04/18/2011 – 07:54:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and allowing you to filter into each section of the site, which will all be powered by their own pod’s search
[04/18/2011 – 07:54:34 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so global searching, and per-section searching to do advanced filtering
[04/18/2011 – 07:54:56 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okie, so moving on again.. latest dev blog discussions
[04/18/2011 – 07:55:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> https://pods.io/2011/04/17/terminology-poll-columns-vs-fields-what-makes-more/
[04/18/2011 – 07:55:31 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> Columns will be replaced with the term Fields in pods 2.0, anyone against it please let us know why so we can consider it
[04/18/2011 – 07:56:14 PM] <wesbos> +1 on that
[04/18/2011 – 07:57:14 PM] <darknailblue> agreed… i personally have never had a client that calls them columns
[04/18/2011 – 07:57:25 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> next is a discussion about pod Types, pod Objects, and Storage Types in pods 2.0 — https://pods.io/2011/04/17/pod-types-pod-objects-and-storage-types/
[04/18/2011 – 07:57:43 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> that’s more general information, just something to reference as you look into what 2.0 will offer
[04/18/2011 – 07:58:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it also explains wp_pods table structure that you can see in place on the 2.0 dev branch
[04/18/2011 – 07:59:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> https://pods.io/2011/04/08/call-for-contributions/
[04/18/2011 – 07:59:21 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’re highlighting our call for contributions
[04/18/2011 – 07:59:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> hoping people will donate to help fund dev time on the plugin, or to sponsor features they’d like to see
[04/18/2011 – 08:00:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> something simple for now, but on the new site we’ll have a contributors section which will give people positive reinforcement of their help
[04/18/2011 – 08:00:41 PM] <darknailblue> has there been any discussions on affiliate marketing?
[04/18/2011 – 08:00:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> in what sense?
[04/18/2011 – 08:01:50 PM] <wesbos> Yeah, is there anything we can do where people pay for some sort of premium
[04/18/2011 – 08:02:08 PM] <darknailblue> well even though pods is open source i think that it has gained alot of steam and recognition from a good portion of the wordpress community
[04/18/2011 – 08:02:32 PM] <darknailblue> so that said maybe some kind of cross promotional traffic could be created
[04/18/2011 – 08:02:41 PM] <darknailblue> just wondering about affiliate marketing
[04/18/2011 – 08:02:57 PM] <darknailblue> maybe something like signing up with gravity forms and putting the lead proceeds to pods
[04/18/2011 – 08:02:59 PM] <darknailblue> things like that
[04/18/2011 – 08:03:00 PM] <wesbos> I think the only thing you could do is sell wordpress books from amazon, which seems kinda scammy
[04/18/2011 – 08:03:05 PM] <darknailblue> nope
[04/18/2011 – 08:03:29 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> pods will remain free
[04/18/2011 – 08:04:01 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and we don’t have any current plans to monetize, we direct all non-support requests to our dev directory
[04/18/2011 – 08:04:19 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and those people in turn do the development and eventually (hopefully) contribute back to the project with their time and code
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[04/18/2011 – 08:04:54 PM] <darknailblue> true story
[04/18/2011 – 08:04:59 PM] <darknailblue> but other plugins aren’t free
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:03 PM] <darknailblue> and they thrive off sales
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:09 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> there have been talks, but in the future we’ll explore more monetization strategies if needed, it all depends on how large we grow and if we become an organization
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, that’s what sets us apart
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:29 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> people rarely believe pods can be free, or will remain free
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:35 PM] <wesbos> we just need to hold out the donation bucket and small
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:42 PM] <wesbos> smile *
[04/18/2011 – 08:05:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we may eventually offer premium support options, but the plugin will always remain open source, gpl, and free
[04/18/2011 – 08:06:17 PM] <wesbos> yeah thats the sort of thing I was thinking. good to know 🙂
[04/18/2011 – 08:07:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, our ‘forums’ will remain free
[04/18/2011 – 08:07:30 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> but we’re looking into offering a premium support option for a fee which would give priority support
[04/18/2011 – 08:07:43 PM] <@jchristopher> pods is as big of a deal as WP herself in my opinion, which makes me glad that the roadmap includes free and GPL
[04/18/2011 – 08:08:10 PM] <darknailblue> agreed
[04/18/2011 – 08:08:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> there’s been a ton of interest in pods 2.0, things are about to get very big (if we do everything right)
[04/18/2011 – 08:08:46 PM] <wesbos> Its already turning heads away from drupal and EE, 2.0 will take over
[04/18/2011 – 08:08:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so if we can all pull together, put in that extra hour of time where we can, and make 2.0 the best we can — we’ll be set for quite a while
[04/18/2011 – 08:08:53 PM] <@jchristopher> yeah, at this point all pods 2.0 has to do is exist (totally not sarcastic in saying that)
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:09 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, no pressure on me huh
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:14 PM] <@jchristopher> never!
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:16 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lol
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:17 PM] <@jchristopher> lol
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> if someone asks about pods 2.0, and they are anxious to see it — tell them to donate
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:36 PM] <@jchristopher> all kidding aside: your biggest point is ‘that extra hour when we can’
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:44 PM] <@jchristopher> even though you’ll be putting in 10 for every 1 of mine
[04/18/2011 – 08:09:55 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> every donation helps
[04/18/2011 – 08:10:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’m not touching donations for anything besides hosting costs or travel costs (for when people want me to come out and speak about pods)
[04/18/2011 – 08:11:16 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’m expecting a huge surge for 2.0, so hopefully we can pull in enough donations to pay for a ton of evangilism
[04/18/2011 – 08:11:29 PM] <@jchristopher> that’d be sweet
[04/18/2011 – 08:11:54 PM] <wesbos> I’m fairly in with the wp candy guys so if you need some help there, lmk
[04/18/2011 – 08:12:10 PM] <wesbos> hes really great about supporting good projects
[04/18/2011 – 08:12:12 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’ll need to get a ton of link love on the new site revamp / pods 2.0
[04/18/2011 – 08:12:48 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so those who haven’t had much time to code, get ready to let everyone know about pods 🙂
[04/18/2011 – 08:12:59 PM] <wesbos> aye aye
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:13 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> any last questions from anyone?
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:28 PM] <@jchristopher> if we can time the site revamp with the 2.0 official launch it’ll go WP viral in 10 seconds
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:28 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> meetup was about 1h 15m
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:44 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> revamp can be ready, hopefully we can have a nice design to go with it
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:48 PM] <@jchristopher> especially if we can cram a 60 second screencast overview in there
[04/18/2011 – 08:13:56 PM] <@jchristopher> that’s what I mean, yea
[04/18/2011 – 08:14:29 PM] <wesbos> *working on lat/long input picker*
[04/18/2011 – 08:14:43 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah, lots of link love, tutorials, articles, etc..
[04/18/2011 – 08:14:52 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> our community will explode
[04/18/2011 – 08:14:53 PM] <wesbos> I’ll be all over the tutorials
[04/18/2011 – 08:15:02 PM] <@jchristopher> same here
[04/18/2011 – 08:15:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the new revamp will have everything we need to succeed
[04/18/2011 – 08:15:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so excited about that side
[04/18/2011 – 08:15:17 PM] <@jchristopher> the new Codex will be babied and cuddled and loved
[04/18/2011 – 08:15:27 PM] <darknailblue> precious
[04/18/2011 – 08:16:14 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okie so i think that’s just about it
[04/18/2011 – 08:16:20 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> if anyone is wondering, we’re not making a ton on donations
[04/18/2011 – 08:16:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the new paypal account has less than $100 lol
[04/18/2011 – 08:16:46 PM] <wesbos> how much would you like to see?
[04/18/2011 – 08:16:50 PM] <wesbos> on a monthy basis
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:13 PM] <@jchristopher> I’ll get more vocal about it
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:17 PM] <wesbos> I dont think it would be a bad thing to have little hints around the new site that say
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:18 PM] <@jchristopher> I only posted the once on my site
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:22 PM] <DannyGSmith> Don’t forget to send me a receipt, and that will grow. I don’t need the help now, but still want to make donation.
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:26 PM] <@jchristopher> not sure that’s the best platform for it, but I’ll keep it on my mind
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:32 PM] <wesbos> ” you just pulled in 7k on that project, donate a few hundy”
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> not really a specific number, would just be nice to see people contributing at least time, support, money, or code to the project
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:48 PM] <@jchristopher> yeah, that’s the angle I take… people making BANK on pods
[04/18/2011 – 08:17:55 PM] <@jchristopher> give back 1%
[04/18/2011 – 08:18:15 PM] <@jchristopher> either time or money, just a percent or two
[04/18/2011 – 08:18:30 PM] <@jchristopher> (percent of the time it saved you, or percent of the money you made)
[04/18/2011 – 08:18:40 PM] <wesbos> yeah exactly
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:15 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> sounds good
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:26 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> when we do the revamp, maybe someone can do a page about it
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:28 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> maybe some nice graphics
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and we can have callouts in the sidebar for users who haven’t donated yet
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:39 PM] <@jchristopher> you mean propaganda!
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:53 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yep
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:56 PM] <wesbos> can we crash their browser if they dont donate?
[04/18/2011 – 08:19:57 PM] <@jchristopher> I like it
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> wesbos: if they have ie that should be easy
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:32 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> lol
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:32 PM] <wesbos> if ($donate == 0) { pods_back_door() }
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:35 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> there we go
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:36 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> ohh
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> one big thing guys
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:48 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and i need logikal16 / jchristopher’s input
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:54 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> WP gives us no real stats
[04/18/2011 – 08:20:57 PM] <@jchristopher> shoot
[04/18/2011 – 08:21:02 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/pods/stats/
[04/18/2011 – 08:21:10 PM] <@jchristopher> yeah, hardly stats
[04/18/2011 – 08:21:35 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> anyone against during update check, we hook into WP and ping our site with certain information about the site?
[04/18/2011 – 08:21:49 PM] <@jchristopher> I think it’s a great idea, but I’d love to see it as an option on activation
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:00 PM] <@jchristopher> e.g. “send anonymous data to pods”
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:05 PM] <@jchristopher> and you can opt out if you want
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:14 PM] <@jchristopher> only asks once during original activation, and is persistant
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:22 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> does WP do that though?
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:30 PM] <@jchristopher> ah, good poign
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:33 PM] <@jchristopher> poign?
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:34 PM] <@jchristopher> point
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’d say opt out, but make it very easy to opt out
[04/18/2011 – 08:22:55 PM] <@jchristopher> sure
[04/18/2011 – 08:23:08 PM] <@jchristopher> I’m a stats geek so I’d love to see something like that implemented
[04/18/2011 – 08:23:13 PM] <@logikal16> sc0ttkclark: we tried it about 2 yrs ago
[04/18/2011 – 08:23:17 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> mainly, site url, site ip, wp version, php version, mysql version, pods version, a count of how many pods/templates/pod pages/helpers they have created, and some information about which components they have activated
[04/18/2011 – 08:23:33 PM] <@logikal16> I’m personally more a fan of opt-in. It’s a lot less sketchy.
[04/18/2011 – 08:23:59 PM] <wesbos> and make it clear that its just once, not an on going data sent
[04/18/2011 – 08:24:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> gotcha
[04/18/2011 – 08:24:13 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> WP does it everytime it checks for updates
[04/18/2011 – 08:24:25 PM] <wesbos> hrmm
[04/18/2011 – 08:24:29 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> they track site url, site ip, wp version, php version, mysql version
[04/18/2011 – 08:24:37 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and of course plugins / themes
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:00 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we can anonomize the site url / ip
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and give them unique IDs
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:12 PM] <wesbos> hrm
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:24 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i think it’d just be helpful to know our user base
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:31 PM] <wesbos> yeah, id like to do that too
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:36 PM] <darknailblue> agreed
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:39 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and i don’t think we’d know it any other way, and WP isn’t sharing
[04/18/2011 – 08:25:43 PM] <@jchristopher> +1
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:06 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so we can have an opt out option in the pods Settings page, as well as WP Admin >> Settings >> Privacy
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:13 PM] <wesbos> yeah
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:14 PM] <wesbos> i like that
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:24 PM] <@logikal16> I’m more in favor of a “See how pods is being used”. Where if a user is willing to share their information, they’ll be able to see others’
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:43 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> who would do that?
[04/18/2011 – 08:26:52 PM] <darknailblue> kind of use the squeeze tactic
[04/18/2011 – 08:27:06 PM] <darknailblue> it would work on less technical users
[04/18/2011 – 08:27:26 PM] <@logikal16> sc0ttkclark: you asking me?
[04/18/2011 – 08:27:29 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> yeah
[04/18/2011 – 08:27:44 PM] <@logikal16> Anyone who wants to know how other pods sites are set up.
[04/18/2011 – 08:28:01 PM] <darknailblue> what about creating a “white paper” kind of version of that idea
[04/18/2011 – 08:28:27 PM] <@logikal16> And, short of visiting the site, would give them insight as to the more popular components / software
[04/18/2011 – 08:28:41 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> the only information we would track is site url, site ip, wp version, php version, mysql version, pods version, a count of how many pods/templates/pod pages/helpers they have created, and some information about which components they have activated — we’d not actually be able to view site url / ip, and only core components would be tracked, the rest are just numbers
[04/18/2011 – 08:29:21 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> url/ip would probably be md5 or something
[04/18/2011 – 08:29:29 PM] <@logikal16> At the same time, who cares how many pages/helpers/templates a site has?
[04/18/2011 – 08:29:50 PM] <@logikal16> I think the meatier data is *how* the pieces come together, e.g. via package names, etc
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:07 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it’s just counts, it’d be a place on our site under Stats saying “People have created 5,399,400 pods”, etc.. etc..
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:21 PM] <darknailblue> i looks like you two are talking about two user bases…
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:27 PM] <wesbos> we could have a 10 million pods party
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:38 PM] <darknailblue> it*
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:56 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’d also be able to say 5,493,595 sites are using pods
[04/18/2011 – 08:30:58 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> etc..
[04/18/2011 – 08:31:28 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> it’s just numbers collecting
[04/18/2011 – 08:31:33 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so we can run stats
[04/18/2011 – 08:32:09 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> right now we’re blind, and i’d doubt anyone would click the opt-in for lack of knowledge of the benefit or even that the opt-in exists
[04/18/2011 – 08:32:28 PM] <wesbos> Yeah I agree
[04/18/2011 – 08:32:33 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> gravity forms does the same type of stats tracking as WP too
[04/18/2011 – 08:32:40 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and i bet a few other plugins too
[04/18/2011 – 08:32:58 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i just figured this might be very useful for us going forward
[04/18/2011 – 08:33:12 PM] <wesbos> just need to make sure people are aware of it. I doubt anyone notable would call you out
[04/18/2011 – 08:33:36 PM] <@logikal16> Right. The important part is making sure it’s spelled out
[04/18/2011 – 08:33:52 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> we’ll have a privacy policy on our new site, and the stats tracking will be documented
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:04 PM] <darknailblue> good plan
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:10 PM] <@logikal16> Bad things happen when people get the sense that their data is being mishandled.
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:18 PM] <@logikal16> Hint: capital_P_dangit
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:38 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> and we can disable stats tracking on any site that’s “private” (WP Admin >> Settings >> Privacy >> Don’t allow search engines, etc to index the site)
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:38 PM] <@jchristopher> yes, transparency is key
[04/18/2011 – 08:34:50 PM] <wesbos> maybe when the plugin is installed, throw somethingthat says “thanks for installing pods! We may collect some anonymous data to help further develop the plugin TURN OFF ”
[04/18/2011 – 08:35:04 PM] <darknailblue> i like that idea
[04/18/2011 – 08:35:13 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> sure, we can have a pop-up on first open of any of the pods-related admin menus
[04/18/2011 – 08:35:15 PM] <darknailblue> very reminisent of can spam laws
[04/18/2011 – 08:36:24 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> so we all know we should include stats tracking, but not sure about how to go about it, let’s shelf it for a pods dev blog discussion
[04/18/2011 – 08:36:34 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> then we can bring others into the convo, like tony, etc..
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:00 PM] <@jchristopher> I like it
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:08 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> i’ll post a topic this week about it
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:14 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> okie i think that covers the meetup
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:35 PM] <@jchristopher> awesome
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:38 PM] <@jchristopher> good talks, recap
[04/18/2011 – 08:37:47 PM] <@sc0ttkclark> </meetup>